.NET Framework - My Web Sites folder: What's going on?

Asked By tommyvi on 24-Aug-07 10:16 AM
In Expression Web for Dummies Linda Hefferman writes, "We also suggest that
you store all your Web sites inside the My Web Sites folder."

I have two web sites, one of which I'm now upgrading with Expression Web.
They are both in the My Web Sites folder. Here's the problem: One web site
has a manila folder icon, the other has a huge folder icon with a globe in
the center. When I place the mouse pointer over this one, it says, "Stores
your local Web site."

Again from the Dummies book, "Folders with globe icons denote subsites,
which are complete Web sites that live inside a folder of the main, or parent
Web site."

Neither one of my sites is a subsite. Have I done something wrong in my file
and folder management? How can I establish some logic or organization in the
My Web Sites folder where I store my web sites?

I don't want to take up too much time here. Perhaps you just could direct me
to a tutorial or a book and I'll do the work.




Ronx replied on 24-Aug-07 10:29 AM
Subsites in the My Webs folders are complete web sites.
A sub site is a collection of files and folders that xWeb or FrontPAge
recognises as a complete web site.  The subsite may be a complete
website, or just a part of a bigger site - but xWeb and FrontPage will
treat it as complete.
The Dummies book is partially incorrect - any folder with a globe may be
a complete website, or a subsite - it depends on how it is used.  The My
Webs folder usually has a globe as well - what is this a subsite of? :-)

The website folder without the globe either has a missing/incomplete
desktop.ini file (which defines the globe), or has no meta data in it.
In the latter case xWeb will treat it as a folder in My Webs, not as a
website.
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take5gu replied on 24-Aug-07 02:18 PM
Go into windows explorer and turn on view hidden folders.  Then go into your
website with the globe folder and copy the hidden folder _vti_pvt and the
file desktop.ini and past them into your website without the globe folder.
it should now show a globe folder.
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Steve Easton replied on 24-Aug-07 02:38 PM
You don't want to copy the  _vti_pvt from one web site to another,
as it can break the site.

Simply open EW, select File > Open Site and browse to the folder without the globe.
Right click it and select "convert to web"



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Cheryl D Wise replied on 24-Aug-07 07:36 PM
That is a suggestion I disagree with. If you work on multiple sites or large
sites you will bloat your profile so bad Windows will take forever to load.
My father-in-law had the bad habit of storing everything in My Documents or
on his desktop. His machine took 20 minutes to boot to his profile. The
profile my mother-in-law has boots in less than 1/4 of the time of his. It
got even faster when I removed stuff from the "start-up" menu he had
installed and other stuff set to load at boot.

The site with a Globe has meta data turned on and the one without it
probably doesn't. It is the presence of the meta data folders that trigger
the globe. Any site with meta data associated with it will have a globe
whether or not it is a subsite. You haven't done anything wrong.

I prefer to store my websites in d:\www so they aren't on my OS drive at
all. The folder name is because one of the first web hosts I used had my
site in that location and mirroring the server path on my computer made
sense when we used an Access database on the site. Under d;\www I have a
series of folders for each of the sites I work on. A few of them have
subsites in them as well. Find an organization structure that works for you
and stick with it.

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Cheryl D Wise
MS MVP FrontPage
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Author: Foundations of Microsoft Expression Web: The Basics and Beyond
tommyvi replied on 24-Aug-07 08:08 PM
the globe.

I browsed to the folder that did not have the globe in the My Web Sites
folder inside My Documents. But in EW this same folder did have the globe.
Mixed signals. Perhaps it's OK after all.

The only indication that something is wrong is that it takes five minutes to
publish changed pages. (I have the publish changed pages only box checked.) I
keep getting a message like this when I publish: The file 'discus/admin.css'
exists on the destination server but does not exist in the current Web site.
Would you like to remove it from 'ftp:hairloss-reversible.com/www'?

A man at my hosting service told me to always say "no to all" or problems
would spring up. I'll keep his advice in mind when I go ballroom dancing
tomorrow night and all those gorgeous women ask me to dance.
Cheryl D Wise replied on 24-Aug-07 08:12 PM
Right click on the discus folder and turn it into a subsite. That will speed
up your publishing and stop those messages as long as you don't have

If you don't have a discus folder locally create one (it can be empty) and
convert. Do the same with any other folders you don't want EW to touch when
you publish.

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Cheryl D Wise
MS MVP FrontPage
http://by-expression.com
Author: Foundations of Microsoft Expression Web: The Basics and Beyond
tommyvi replied on 25-Aug-07 08:40 AM
Cheryl,

I did what you recommended and it did speed up the publishing process, but
the lag time before I'm able to click the Publish Web site button is still
about three minutes. A friend who uses Dreamweaver to edit his site publishes
in seconds.

I read the nine reviews of your book on amazon.com. Foundations of Microsoft
Expression Web: The Basics and Beyond gets mostly five-star reviews, the
reviewers giving specifics about what they like. But one reviewer, Joseph
Rudolph, gives a negative review saying, "Then when you try to load the
exercises on her [your] website the links don't work..."

Are the links working now? I'm going to buy the book this morning when I go
to MicroCenter. If I can't buy it there I'll order it from amazon.

Thanks to everyone on the forum for the help they've given me.
tommyvi replied on 25-Aug-07 12:54 PM
Cheryl wrote,

probably doesn't. It is the presence of the meta data folders that trigger
the globe. Any site with meta data associated with it will have a globe
whether or not it is a subsite."

How can I turn on the meta data in the folder that does not have a globe? I
would prefer a simple explanation because I'm not techie.
Cheryl D Wise replied on 25-Aug-07 02:51 PM
Dreamweaver is typically faster and has a few more FTP features than
Expression but  it is not problem free either. Both pale in comparison to a
full fledged FTP client like WSFTP Pro or even Filezilla.

All links in the book point to http://foundationsofexpressionweb.com/ and as
for as I know there was only one link that was bad. That page is now at the
some location as in the book. There is a change to the chapter 3 exercise
file due to a bug that surfaced after publication. There will be some more
errata to be added soon.

If there is another late that is broken you can always report it using the
contact form.

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Cheryl D Wise
MS MVP FrontPage
http://by-expression.com
Author: Foundations of Microsoft Expression Web: The Basics and Beyond