.NET Framework - .NET Framework 3.5 redistributable

Hi,
Is .NET Framework 3.5 redistributable available? If, not what is expected
timeframe for it?

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Jigar

  arn replied...

I think:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=333325FD-AE52-4E35-B531-508D977D32A6&displaylang=en

is what you can get.

Arne

  JigarPatelnospamnospa replied...

Link you provided is whole framework and requires to download 63MB of data
from Microsoft. 2.0 and 3.0 framework had redistributable(only runtime)
packages which could be easily distributed to clients so they do not need to
install whole framework to just run the programs.

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Jigar

  arn replied...

.NET 1.1 and 2.0 had a runtime and a SDK - the link is the equivalent
of those runtimes - there are no (AFAIK) standalone SDK - you need
to get it with VS. And obviously the runtime needs the entire
framework - a runtime with missing classes is no good.

Arne

  Michael D. Ober replied...

The net framework 3.5 runtime is 63Mb.  What would be nice to see is
versions for people who already have framework 2.0 and/or 3.0 previously
installed.

Mike.

  Marc Gravell replied...

See, that is already no good - 3.5 sits on top of 2.0SP1 and 3.0SP1,
not 2.0 and 3.0. But 63Mb *is* the targetted download; the full
redistributable (useful for network deployment) is closer to 200Mb.

Marc

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